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	<title>Comments on: Scientists:  Bringing Home the Benjamins, part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Jane Rigby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Rigby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re anon @ #8:  Anon fails to notice the tongue in cheek, causing an extrapolation into ridiculousness.  No one said anything about bad landlords or an unsafe neighborhood.  For the record, our tiny but cheerful 1 bedroom bungalow has a backyard patio and small garden, friendly landlords next door, and a charming &#039;hood.   

Anon makes a great point about keeping rent &lt;20% of gross income.  Exactly.  
I pay 17% of my postdoc salary, which in Los Angeles (home to hundreds of astronomers), gets you half-rent on a 1 bedroom bungalow.  

The situation is very different in Tucson, say, where that rent would score you a 3--4 bedroom house.  This brings up the perhaps surprising fact that the nationwide astro fellowships don&#039;t include a cost-of-living stipend adjustment.  My guess is that&#039;s no accident -- departments in low cost-of-living cities get more fellows this way, which (along with the 1-fellow-per-year caps) spreads the fellowship money to more department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re anon @ #8:  Anon fails to notice the tongue in cheek, causing an extrapolation into ridiculousness.  No one said anything about bad landlords or an unsafe neighborhood.  For the record, our tiny but cheerful 1 bedroom bungalow has a backyard patio and small garden, friendly landlords next door, and a charming &#8216;hood.   </p>
<p>Anon makes a great point about keeping rent &lt;20% of gross income.  Exactly.<br />
I pay 17% of my postdoc salary, which in Los Angeles (home to hundreds of astronomers), gets you half-rent on a 1 bedroom bungalow.  </p>
<p>The situation is very different in Tucson, say, where that rent would score you a 3&#8211;4 bedroom house.  This brings up the perhaps surprising fact that the nationwide astro fellowships don&#8217;t include a cost-of-living stipend adjustment.  My guess is that&#8217;s no accident &#8212; departments in low cost-of-living cities get more fellows this way, which (along with the 1-fellow-per-year caps) spreads the fellowship money to more department.</p>
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		<title>By: DifferentAnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>DifferentAnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll riff a bit off Anon&#039;s post. The biggest impact on your retirement isn&#039;t whatever money you save during your &lt;strike&gt;grad student and&lt;/strike&gt;(lol, ok) postdoc years. It&#039;s the permanent job where you ultimately land. Few of us get more than a couple of offers, and if you end up at #2 on somebody&#039;s shortlist instead of #1, you could easily end up sliding another $5k, $10k, or more down the starting payscale.

It seems to me that the best financial strategy for a grad student or postdoc should mitigate the real-life problems that distract them from maximizing their scientific productivity, and thus their employment prospects. As Kelle says, a 3-6 month emergency fund is critical. You can easily lose a lot of time and productivity if you have to worry about juggling finances and getting bills paid, especially since financial crises are usually triggered by other events (like medical or family emergencies) that are also stressful. However, in most cases your spending choices are probably more important than your saving choices. If noisy neighbors keep you up and ruin your productivity during the day, then head for the quieter, more expensive parts of town. Conversely, if you need nightlife to decompress, spend a little extra and get a quality place near downtown. Don&#039;t add an extra 30 minutes onto your commute just to save $100/month - it almost certainly isn&#039;t worth the lost time and additional stress (unless you get your motivation from right-wing talk radio or a daily hour of Gaga).

I guess it all comes down to a different idea of investment: Invest in yourself, as you are the primary means of generating income for the next 30-40 years. In academia, a handful of critical steps (undergrad, PhD, postdoc, faculty, tenure) determine all of your future earnings. Invest wisely to maximize your odds at those steps.

Of course, I can&#039;t overstate the short-term hedonistic benefits of this strategy either...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll riff a bit off Anon&#8217;s post. The biggest impact on your retirement isn&#8217;t whatever money you save during your <strike>grad student and</strike>(lol, ok) postdoc years. It&#8217;s the permanent job where you ultimately land. Few of us get more than a couple of offers, and if you end up at #2 on somebody&#8217;s shortlist instead of #1, you could easily end up sliding another $5k, $10k, or more down the starting payscale.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the best financial strategy for a grad student or postdoc should mitigate the real-life problems that distract them from maximizing their scientific productivity, and thus their employment prospects. As Kelle says, a 3-6 month emergency fund is critical. You can easily lose a lot of time and productivity if you have to worry about juggling finances and getting bills paid, especially since financial crises are usually triggered by other events (like medical or family emergencies) that are also stressful. However, in most cases your spending choices are probably more important than your saving choices. If noisy neighbors keep you up and ruin your productivity during the day, then head for the quieter, more expensive parts of town. Conversely, if you need nightlife to decompress, spend a little extra and get a quality place near downtown. Don&#8217;t add an extra 30 minutes onto your commute just to save $100/month &#8211; it almost certainly isn&#8217;t worth the lost time and additional stress (unless you get your motivation from right-wing talk radio or a daily hour of Gaga).</p>
<p>I guess it all comes down to a different idea of investment: Invest in yourself, as you are the primary means of generating income for the next 30-40 years. In academia, a handful of critical steps (undergrad, PhD, postdoc, faculty, tenure) determine all of your future earnings. Invest wisely to maximize your odds at those steps.</p>
<p>Of course, I can&#8217;t overstate the short-term hedonistic benefits of this strategy either&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all relative.  I don&#039;t think a postdoc needs to live like a grad student either, but it depends where you are, a grad student living in Tucson is closer to a postdoc in LA than the other way around.  It also depends on how naturally saving up comes to you.  Academia has never promised to be very financially rewarding, so figuring out a constructive and simple way to deal with it is better than resenting the fact that you can&#039;t keep up with your friend who went into the tech biz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all relative.  I don&#8217;t think a postdoc needs to live like a grad student either, but it depends where you are, a grad student living in Tucson is closer to a postdoc in LA than the other way around.  It also depends on how naturally saving up comes to you.  Academia has never promised to be very financially rewarding, so figuring out a constructive and simple way to deal with it is better than resenting the fact that you can&#8217;t keep up with your friend who went into the tech biz.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the advice about not drastically changing one&#039;s lifestyle upon a salary increase, but it&#039;s taken to a silly extent in this post. &quot;Rent a crummy little house.&quot; This is bad advice. Yes, by all means, live modestly, but one of the single biggest factors in my comfort and happiness is my living conditions. This is true for many people. If you live in a crappy house/apartment, with landlords who couldn&#039;t care less, perhaps in an unsafe neighborhood... you will be unhappy and stressed, if you&#039;re like most people.

So by all means live modestly. I&#039;m keeping my rent &lt;20% of my gross income as a move to a postdoc. But I&#039;m paying ~$100/month more than I have to so that I can live in a nice place, with a great kitchen, quiet neighbors, and reliable staff. Don&#039;t forget: you&#039;re saving up so that you won&#039;t be miserable in your old age, but it would be silly to be miserable now instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the advice about not drastically changing one&#8217;s lifestyle upon a salary increase, but it&#8217;s taken to a silly extent in this post. &#8220;Rent a crummy little house.&#8221; This is bad advice. Yes, by all means, live modestly, but one of the single biggest factors in my comfort and happiness is my living conditions. This is true for many people. If you live in a crappy house/apartment, with landlords who couldn&#8217;t care less, perhaps in an unsafe neighborhood&#8230; you will be unhappy and stressed, if you&#8217;re like most people.</p>
<p>So by all means live modestly. I&#8217;m keeping my rent &lt;20% of my gross income as a move to a postdoc. But I&#039;m paying ~$100/month more than I have to so that I can live in a nice place, with a great kitchen, quiet neighbors, and reliable staff. Don&#039;t forget: you&#039;re saving up so that you won&#039;t be miserable in your old age, but it would be silly to be miserable now instead.</p>
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		<title>By: John Feldmeier</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Feldmeier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I think that really cripples people in general, and young scientists in particular, is the
use of credit cards.  I once heard of credit cards as the &quot;cement life raft,&quot; and in my experience that is the truth.  Interest can work for you, or against you.

A related post on finances went up on the Tenured Radical website:

http://tenured-radical.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-to-afford-your-first-real-job.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I think that really cripples people in general, and young scientists in particular, is the<br />
use of credit cards.  I once heard of credit cards as the &#8220;cement life raft,&#8221; and in my experience that is the truth.  Interest can work for you, or against you.</p>
<p>A related post on finances went up on the Tenured Radical website:</p>
<p><a href="http://tenured-radical.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-to-afford-your-first-real-job.html" rel="nofollow">http://tenured-radical.blogspot.com/2010/06/how-to-afford-your-first-real-job.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jane Rigby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Rigby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.astrobetter.com/lifecycle-funds&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here are two examples of how lifecycle funds evolve.&lt;/a&gt;   One is Marcos&#039; example (retiring in 2010), and the other assumes a retirement age of 2040. 

Marcos, you are forgetting that people do not expect to die shortly after they retire.  As a result, all lifecycle retirement funds maintain a healthy fraction of stock at retirement.  The bond fraction pays a fixed income to live on, while the stock fraction continues to (hopefully) generate growth for the next 20+ years of life after retirement.  Yes, that is riskier than 100% bonds.  But unless you are extremely wealthy, you need to continue growing your retirement in early retirement, or you will run out of money.  That, by definition, requires you to assume some risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.astrobetter.com/lifecycle-funds" rel="nofollow">Here are two examples of how lifecycle funds evolve.</a>   One is Marcos&#8217; example (retiring in 2010), and the other assumes a retirement age of 2040. </p>
<p>Marcos, you are forgetting that people do not expect to die shortly after they retire.  As a result, all lifecycle retirement funds maintain a healthy fraction of stock at retirement.  The bond fraction pays a fixed income to live on, while the stock fraction continues to (hopefully) generate growth for the next 20+ years of life after retirement.  Yes, that is riskier than 100% bonds.  But unless you are extremely wealthy, you need to continue growing your retirement in early retirement, or you will run out of money.  That, by definition, requires you to assume some risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Rigby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Rigby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, good catch of my over-simplification.  What I should have said is, I maximize my Roth IRA contribution ($5K in 2010; Vanguard has a button that automatically maximizes your contribution), and then put additional money into a regular (non-IRA) account  to get 15% total.  (Yes, Carnegie fellowships are set at the Hubble rate, more or less. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, good catch of my over-simplification.  What I should have said is, I maximize my Roth IRA contribution ($5K in 2010; Vanguard has a button that automatically maximizes your contribution), and then put additional money into a regular (non-IRA) account  to get 15% total.  (Yes, Carnegie fellowships are set at the Hubble rate, more or less. )</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, won&#039;t putting 15% of your stipend into a Roth exceed the max yearly limit (5K)? I can put only slightly more than 10% post-tax in. I don&#039;t know how much Carnegie Fellows are paid these days but it isn&#039;t way below Hubbles, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, won&#8217;t putting 15% of your stipend into a Roth exceed the max yearly limit (5K)? I can put only slightly more than 10% post-tax in. I don&#8217;t know how much Carnegie Fellows are paid these days but it isn&#8217;t way below Hubbles, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you can see &lt;a href=&quot;http://quote.morningstar.com/fund/f.aspx?t=VTENX&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in the Vanguard target 2010 fund&lt;/a&gt;, they tend not to shift their portfolio properly; it dropped 20% in 2008, 2 years before one is supposed to retire?  That&#039;s crazy, an index fund would have done about the same thing. So I don&#039;t quite the point of them if they can&#039;t handle a downturn 2 years before retirement.  Plus they (usually) have higher expense fees.  Index funds are a good choice, and shifting away from stock index funds toward more boring things like bonds the closer you get to actually retire.

And for heaven&#039;s sake &lt;a href=&quot;http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/102603/why-your-home-is-not-the-investment-you-think-it-is rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;don&#039;t buy a house thinking it&#039;s an investment&lt;/a&gt;.  It&#039;s a very bad way to build wealth even if you&#039;ll live there 30 years, and really a crapshoot if you&#039;re going to move out quickly.  Grad students / postdocs who buy homes/condos I think are making a very questionable choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you can see <a href="http://quote.morningstar.com/fund/f.aspx?t=VTENX" rel="nofollow">in the Vanguard target 2010 fund</a>, they tend not to shift their portfolio properly; it dropped 20% in 2008, 2 years before one is supposed to retire?  That&#8217;s crazy, an index fund would have done about the same thing. So I don&#8217;t quite the point of them if they can&#8217;t handle a downturn 2 years before retirement.  Plus they (usually) have higher expense fees.  Index funds are a good choice, and shifting away from stock index funds toward more boring things like bonds the closer you get to actually retire.</p>
<p>And for heaven&#8217;s sake <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/102603/why-your-home-is-not-the-investment-you-think-it-is rel="nofollow">don&#8217;t buy a house thinking it&#8217;s an investment</a>.  It&#8217;s a very bad way to build wealth even if you&#8217;ll live there 30 years, and really a crapshoot if you&#8217;re going to move out quickly.  Grad students / postdocs who buy homes/condos I think are making a very questionable choice.</p>
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		<title>By: mihos</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be very unpopular/unwelcome advice but here&#039;s my advice: stop buying so much stuff. Seriously, I see so many people running around w/ fancy personal electronics, going on big vacations, eating out a lot, going to lots of concerts/shows, etc, etc. All that is fine, but don&#039;t do all that and then claim you can&#039;t save enough or don&#039;t earn enough. And yes, I realize not everyone is doing this, but a lot are. 

You save money by doing two things: increasing your earnings, and reducing your spending. And I agree wholeheartedly w/ Jane&#039;s comment about not overpaying for housing. Our house isn&#039;t the fanciest, and it&#039;s not in a toney neighborhood, but it doesn&#039;t stretch our budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be very unpopular/unwelcome advice but here&#8217;s my advice: stop buying so much stuff. Seriously, I see so many people running around w/ fancy personal electronics, going on big vacations, eating out a lot, going to lots of concerts/shows, etc, etc. All that is fine, but don&#8217;t do all that and then claim you can&#8217;t save enough or don&#8217;t earn enough. And yes, I realize not everyone is doing this, but a lot are. </p>
<p>You save money by doing two things: increasing your earnings, and reducing your spending. And I agree wholeheartedly w/ Jane&#8217;s comment about not overpaying for housing. Our house isn&#8217;t the fanciest, and it&#8217;s not in a toney neighborhood, but it doesn&#8217;t stretch our budget.</p>
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